educators. i was a little shocked when people started saying she's a lightning rod and a radical. because i thought what i was doing was just sort of bringing, you know, order and reason to the system. so, you know, at the end of the day i feel like it's bringing common sense to a dysfunctional system makes me a radical then i'm okay being a radical. i think everybody should be one. ( cheers and applause ) >> jon: sure. now, do you think... see, i am the son of a teacher. so i'm not... it's hard to be objective about it. do you think some of people's concern is what you might consider and obvious you say fired ineffective teachers, close some dysfunctional schools that they might be concerned that the metrics with which those are decided in their minds might be more arbitrary not to suggest that isn't a terrible bureaucracy in schools or there isn't any of those things but the reliance on the testing metric skewed some of the data for people and that they were concerned that those decisions were being based on arbitrary system they didn't necessarily agree with? >> i come from teachers too.